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Are the 1% dominant motorcycle clubs at fault for the resentment against them? Is the basis for protocol relevant anymore, especially when it’s abused, by those who claim tradition is important.

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By James “Hollywood” Macecari

I received a question from an individual asking about protocol. The question was concerning his national Masonic club. He asked what he should do when a dominant says they had to change the back patches, which again, is a nationally recognized organization. I couldn’t believe this is something a dominant would try to do, but again, other parts of the country do things different. Here’s the reason I couldn’t get why they wanted something like that done. Dominants are already having enough problems with pop-up clubs; not to mention the heat they are receiving about protocol. Why in the hell would you cause another group of individuals to look upon you as a bunch of assholes? If you already know they are apart of a recognized club, why ask them to change the patch to suit your taste? Down right stupid shit right there, especially since dominants are trying to get support.

Dominant motorcycle clubs need to evolve, this isn’t the past, but the modern age

I’ve talked about this before, the need for motorcycle clubs to evolve, before they go extinct. When I say extinct, I mean before the heat gets so bad, no one wants to risk being apart of the club scene. It’s bad enough when we did our poll, only 30% of the bikers in the poll supported motorcycle clubs. Yeah I know, who cares what others think? Well, you better care, those are the people going over in droves to LEO clubs. There is no shame any longer running to the cops, writing statements, or ratting. People are no longer in the mood, for others to tell them what to do. Furthermore, the three piece patch and diamond, no longer puts fear into people. I get why protocol is used, I also support it because it’s tradition; when it’s used correctly. When protocol is abused like in this instance, why the hell do you think there are so many pop-up clubs? Whoever the dominant was in this example, left a very bad taste in the mouth of individuals who tried doing the right thing. What the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell were you thinking, trying to have them change their patch, It’s a national copyrighted patch design!

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No one wants to prospect for a motorcycle club anymore. Instead, individuals want to start their own motorcycle club, is this the new age biker in action?

What’s even more sad, these people brought up the case about #SAVETHEPATCH. Their question was, “they want us to support their cause, but the dominants want to dictate our trademarks.” How in the fuck I’m I going to argue against that statement? It’s simple, I’m not, because this was an ass monkey move. I believe this situation all comes down to the dominant wanting to show pecker size, because it sure wasn’t about protocol. This is the reason, why people choose to go outside tradition and start their own club, without the blessings of dominants. I would argue, it’s the dominants fault, it’s their actions causing the problems.

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Many people will get angry about that statement, but if they get off the dominants dick, they will see what I’m saying is logical. This situation presented the dominant a chance for more support; instead they decided to flush it down the toilet. That move was literally, “a shit move.” So for those always bitching about protocol, look in the mirror and I bet you can see where the problem starts.

The protocol I remember wasn’t like it is today

I have to be honest, the protocol today, wasn’t like this in the early 90’s. If someone went to a dominant back then with a request like above, there would be open arms. Why? Because the dominants were more welcoming, unlike today. It’s interesting because they need the support more than ever, more so than back then. What the hell has changed? It’s under 30 years since I came up, why all the prick moves? Who knows, maybe it’s always going to come down to dick size, but it’s something that will cost clubs dearly. When motorcycle clubs lose support, the money starts fading away, then bills are not paid. I guess this is something the mighty dominant motorcycle clubs are going to have to learn the hard way.

So how is protocol different in modern times? Well, I’d have to say it’s all about power. It’s sad I know, but it’s what it seems to be now. It’s no longer about education and bringing up new guys the right way, it’s about demeaning others. Especially, the ones who want to do things according to tradition, Yeah, nice strategy, NOT! I still can’t get over how this dominant treated these guys, maybe I use logic with a situation like this, who knows. What I do know, it was a prick move to say it nicely.

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I already know I’m going to get this question. “What did you tell them to do?” Simple answer, I told them to tell those dudes to fuck off. Why the hell should they go by protocol, if they were going to pull that shit? Wait, what did you just suggest Hollywood? If you didn’t hear it right, I said to tell them “fuck off!” Why in the hell would they want to go back to these ass monkeys if they were treated this way? Don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t put up with that kind of shit. If I’m apart of a national organization like the masons, trying to start a club the right way and get told that shit. You’re damn right I suggested they tell them to fuck off! What kind of man would you be, to sit there and be told, you couldn’t wear a nationally known patch? In my book, you wouldn’t be much of a man. Here’s a little secret, you have to be a man before you put a patch on.

So what are your thoughts on this situation, do you think I’m right or wrong in my thinking? If so, why do you think I’m wrong? Put your thoughts in the comment section, let’s get this debate started.

 

45 comments

  1. Nice shot hollywood.. i srtill dont think they will get it.. their objectives are to bully.. i think to prove their power… truth is they are their own black eye.. no one needs to be forced to deal with this bullshit.. if they want to act like punks ..they should at least build a top end with enough brains to steer them around this kind of crap.. come on fella’ s ……stop putting these fucks that want to sell dope and shit in the driver seat of your club…trust me..you aint gettin the money….they are…. …put some one with compasion to the general public and gain some respect for your club…..see the difference… sell dope and shit top three or five make money… be legit and the whole club benefits…hmmm that motto at the top of this about respect.. it is bilateral…disrespect and get disrepected..

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  2. There are a lot of Clubs that have tried to do it the right way and tried to reach out to Dominant Clubs in their areas to follow protocol or, at the very least, try to learn protocol and be respectful only to be told they were not welcome. Or, just flat out ignored with no response, How can you follow a protocol or try and show respect to dominants when they wont return your calls or they refuse to meet with you? Protocol has turned into a joke. Try getting 81 to sit down with your club so you can follow protocol and try and respectfully follow their wishes is a joke. They don’t care about protocol, if they did they would actually sit down with new clubs and explain the process and help them learn the protocol rather than create more enemies.

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  3. Hollywood.

    Much respect. I’m a single patch holder of one of the oldest clubs in the country- over 70 years old (pre all 1% er clubs) in the country and could not agree more with what you stated.

    My question is this? Why bust the balls of one piece clubs when they have nothing to do with 1%er life?? Two different worlds. It’s like asking a Church pastor why he doesn’t like Satan and get pissed when he tells you. Then you have the balls to ask him for your undying love for Satan or get fucked up???? GFY.

    Last I checked. No 1% club needs to be sued into oblivion by the new “Bikers” who are the same kids who sue on everything cause feelings get hurt. If they can sue on whats not on a cake… They can close your chapter and your b club chapters trying to be your muscle.

    Lawsuits are magical now. Its only gonna take one of these one piece clubs to get plugged up by a dominate and you will see the domino’s fall. Society is fed up with bullies and I hate to say it. 1%ers like what you mentioned above are the #1 target in the motorcycle world now. And the feds are all to happy to help.

    1%ers where known for staying to themselves.. now they want to be in everyone’s business (non 1%ers). Why???

    Yes your chapters can be sued for harassing, intimidation and It’s a different world now. It will be about your club. Not an individual. You cant go blow up people and intimidate anymore (Including people who have done nothing wrong except buy a bike and want to ride with same minded folks). Are they going to stiff arm girl clubs now (most popular start up clubs now in the country)? Again for what? wanting to ride and share a common bond?

    Protocol is real.. but only for the 1% diamond. You step into that ring. Prepare to be slammed. But single patch family clubs… Get a life gronks. Its like asking why the shy kid wont fight the football team. So tough!

    When the fuck did we forget it’s about 2 wheels and the common bond? Us against them? You are right. Its all about the drugs and power (only in the eyes of the drug dealers- rest of the world doesn’t give a shit). 1%er clubs I know you are not all the same. So please pay attention to what the bad clubs are doing and not repeat. If they ride extend a hand. No matter what they have on their back. You catch more fly’s with honey then vinegar.

    I love Wild Hogs… In the end of that movie Fonda had a great saying…. “Only four wild hogs against all of you Del Fuegoes?? Who is the real club?”

    Who is a real biker now?

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  4. Pretty sad article and comments, if you want to be embraced by the Biker community it’s not an impossible task. One must first do some due diligence and learn to walk before you run. If it’s just about riding, why do you need a patch? If it’s about stepping into the Club world don’t expect a fast track, pay your dues … if the shoe was on the other foot and Bikers and regular Joes wanted to be Masons over night do you really think they could sit down at a table and the next day be welcomed as Masons … it doesn’t work that way. The writer appears very upset about Clubs, I can only summise he didn’t make it and is now bitter and forlorn… try roller skating!

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  5. I am a FreeMason and the VP of my local WidowsSons chapter. I am grateful for the wisdom shared.

    Buhravo good sir! Two wheels up brethren of the HOG.

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  6. Yo spike.. you write as though you may have finished school.. i was just wondering if some of my thug rinds and i owned say ford pintos.. and you bought one.. and wanted some of your friends to…. and my thug friends and i said…ONLY WE CAN OWN PINTOS.. would you not find that idiotic?? No time served.. anyone can own a pinto ..and drive it where ever they want.. im hoping???

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  7. I rode on my first Harley when I was 14. I am still riding at 72. So,yes, I know how different times are. No helmets in the 60’s. Of course, no seat belts either. And you knew it was a Harley by the oil spot under the bike. But, anyway, my question is ‘ How did these pop up groups even get started? How can you have 6 or 7 members and call yourself a club? The ones that I am aware of are all about selling drugs, and wanting to be head honcho..Not much about loving Harleys. I was a start up member for ABATE in mid 80’s in Pa. First we had to make people understand that we weren’t a club…we were an Organization. I was an Officer for 10yrs and it was the best part of my life. My 1st question is how do these small groups get started without any flack from the bigger,well known clubs. 2nd question: How do you even get to the Prospecting part? I dont think just anybody can walk into a clubhouse and say ‘I want to join?)

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  8. A few years ago I had an incident involving a local club and my son. He was riding is bike and was told by a club member he had to remove a side rocker with our city name on it because they claim the city as theirs….my son was scared to death by this….oh did I mention he was 12 years old!!!

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  9. Been riding all my life, went to my first field meet in 1989 and proudly where my patches on my back and am a officer in a club that was established in 1979, and it takes someone special to be in a club not just anyone can do it, in fact getting ready to celebrate the life of a brother this weekend, ride free, long and hard

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  10. The bottom rocker for 1%, is the territory they claim and only should involve other 1%, for the majority of other clubs it’s just where they’re from, always thought this was so stupid of 1%. Lots of folks like the club lifestyle just don’t want the hassles of the 1% lifestyle,live and let live I’ve always thought, the opportunity to build and become even more prevalent amongst others is an opportunity they’re letting ride away due to their old,old thinking. Tradition should be mixed with common sense

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  11. I think its a shame.Too much flexing of muscles.Maybe some jealous of others for notoriety.But here’s the thing “we should all be proud of who we are and where we come from and the patches we wear on our back but to be a good and honorable warrior or to show
    respect to all others on an equal level and realize the only difference is the name and emblems and that we are destroying what we believe in by fighting our brothers in arms.After all we are 1% ers and we have one common enemy and we know who that is.So while we fight each other and get attacked by police and the feds it will soon be a way of life and freedom lost by our own hands.is it not enough space on this planet to coexist without the wars and respect all and one as the same?All MCs are practically the same with little variations.And what kills me the most is these wars between the biggest clubs are started by the feds sporting a rivals patch.Thats why the trademark and patents have been made by some to keep patches out of their hands.But even with that its companies over seas in China and other places that dont obey these laws and duplicate colors of all clubs.i have seen the patches of the biggest 5 MCs on numerous websites amazon eBay and others for sale.Some so exact you cant tell the difference.The Rico Act didnt give them the results they expected so now they start these wars and rumors of wars so we create enough violence that they make new laws to convict us in ways that eventually we will be banned world wide.Are we really going to go down in history as being so barbaric that we erase ourselves with such ignorance.They are making a laughing stock out of a way of. life that once produced legends and greed of the $ and pride has distinguished the flame of freedom and what we stand for.Wake up brothers!!!! It’s time to unite and rise above the outnumbered that seek to destroy us all.They hate all of us not just some.We like some and we war with some but we are all the same
    from the otherside of the tracks.And they are our only true enemy.Stop the macho bullshit.Any man can take anothers life simply but replacing good soldiers for the fight for our rights and freedom is getting hard to come by.They are not very crafty but we are showing weakness in keeping what took great minds to create and hold together.ITS TIME TO WAKE UP!!! Tbone –MC Nomads.And yeah I’m proud of who I ride with but not to full of pride to give myself up to the enemy.The best attack sometimes is the best defense and staying in the shadows.DAC!!!!! If you dont understand that its what all great empires did to become great empires.DIVIDE AND CONQUER.We are a culture and people from all around the globe that is becoming a endangered species by our own demise.

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  12. Its about tradition and “respect for your elders”.. Im sure many of you out there know that most prospects are simply relearning respect for their elders. Its simple as that. Try explaning these things to our ” new breed of bikers”..

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  13. Well, they haven’t helped it.
    I’ve never been a joiner myself.
    I’ve been asked but I don’t like being told what to do and I’m too old to be a prospect for anything.
    I don’t like being told when to ride, where to ride or how to ride.
    I ride when I want.
    What I think is ironic is, a group of guys that don’t like rules joins a group that has a bunch of rules.
    It’s even that way in the MC’s for former military and LEOs.
    It’s bullshit that the govt is trying to take away MC’s patches.
    That goes against the First Amendment.
    I support any group that wants to ride together and do their own shit just as long as they leave me alone.
    Have some acquaintances that had to have a meeting of the minds with a local chapter some years ago.
    As long as the club left them and their families alone, the acquaintances wouldn’t fuck up their members.
    Mutual respect.

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  14. Maybe the 1% was testing the Masonic group to see if they had balls enough to be in the MC world. If you want a 3 piece whether 1% or outlaw then you need to not be a pussy. The Mason should have said we are rocking on and then realized their could be consequences to their actions. And be willing to stand up for themselves. Isn’t that what the MC world is about?

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  15. I’m 70 yrs old. Been riding since I was young. My whole family rode. Dad stopped when he died.
    I’m a Mason and I’m a patched veteran.
    Protocol is good when done with brotherhood. Otherwise, go pound sand. Sometimes for permission there are dues paid.
    But we are talking about a National recognized organization! Many of whom dont wear something that tells you they are Masons. Their in every state and around the world! Do you really want to pick a fight with that?
    What if they were a club of veteran Marines. You wouldnt just have them to deal with but every vet in the country would step up to get a piece of the fight.
    Pick your battles.
    Think of what you have in common. Not what you dont. Start with you like to be in the wind.

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  16. Kenny,

    I think it’s about the ride. I live in Milwaukee, the dominant biker clubs around here are no joke. There are so many in the upper Midwest but you wouldn’t know it. I’m not sure about other areas but around here, stand up guys, they do their own thing, as a matter of fact the two largest coexist in the upper Midwest, so I think the article might be an isolated case.

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  17. I’m in an outlaw club and you’re 100% correct. The problem is respect and no one has it. No man wants to be told what to do and how to do it no more even in a respectable manner. I’m a President and I’m getting tired of telling grown men what to do that is right and everyone has there own agendas. Hell I told them I’ll turn in my shit and ride by myself but nationals don’t want me to leave. But I’m at my end with the bs

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  18. Im an Independent….
    The only mandatory things I do in my life are take care of my family and work…
    I give respect where respect is earned, I’ve given pain when pain is the only response that will be taken seriously . ..I am from Chicago, I bought my first Harley the summer between 8th grade and freshman year…I’m going on 60….I have many friends in the “club” life…Its what they enjoy, god bless them…
    I believe people will be treated by how they present themselves. …
    Ride Smart, Stay Safe

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  19. This is why I chose Nomadic for an rocker even though I’m starting a fellowship that’s only motorcycle friendly I think things being said like this is discriminating against mc world and that allot of them in the mc world started the trend of going religious and doing something more new aged because they could tell how their future would be if they didn’t. That being said I believe stories like this are unwise, theirs no telling what going on in the mc politics unless your applying yourself. Listening to the propaganda outside of that world leaves you no rights to your in opinion publicly it’s something that should be done within their very own sanctions

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  20. Show respect, respect is returned. Be an asshole, get treated like an asshole. Problem with a lot of pop-up clubs is they have no respect – throw on a patch, some even sporting diamonds, then go act like bit-part actors in a 1969 Grade B biker movie – which gives the whole community a bad name. Rather than accept advice and guidance in starting a club and becoming part of the club community, they just want to throw on a patch and wanna-be their way into it. Reminds me of the RUBS back in the early 90’s – put their AMEX card on the counter and buy a Harley, along with all the clothing and accessories to to with it, and where they looked down their nose at you yesterday, now want to be your “Bro” …. Want to be in a club? Contact your local COC – there’s probably a club already there that you and your buddies can join, even become a new chapter if they don’t have one where you live. If you aren’t reinventing the wheel, you might even get to be the new kids on the block. Remember, everyone does charity events, so don’t think that’s a unique foot in the door, and being a billy bad-ass isn’t going to gain you any friends – you’re simply going to bring the heat down on everyone! Don’t want to deal with it – don’t put on a patch!

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  21. Sounds like today’s so called bikers are joining the liberal world we live in, seeing how they have problems with the protocols of 1 percent clubs. If you join the military you are going to have to follow protocol it really is no different. I actually find the opposite, today the 1 percent clubs are more approachable today then the 70s- 90s when I was coming up. The evidence is there by the amount of clubs popping up today with approval from the Dominant clubs. Back 20-30 years ago these clubs didn’t exist except the big clubs because they didn’t allow it… So I believe it’s actually the opposite of most these comments I’m reading. I think it’s lack of education of 1percent clubs and actual protocols. And today most of the revenue that comes thru these clubs are from dues, events, runs and fundraisers, rather then running Drugs and criminal enterprises. Sure it does exist but not on the level of years ago.

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  22. I think you all a bunch of pussies go run your trap to a 1% face and get your ass kicked little fuck. n cry babies cause you could hang with the big boys

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  23. I’m interested in starting a club but if my friends and I do start one we plan on going to the local coc because that’s what you have to do….. and the reason we are interested in starting our own club is not because we can’t hang with the big dogs but because we want to start something with our imprint on it… we’re not trying to be the baddest or war over territory we just want to start one because we want to mold it into a something we can pass down to our children…. give them a legacy and a sense of brotherhood… So to be honest with you I don’t see anything wrong with pop-up clubs as long as they go through the protocol in order to start one because everything in life has rules and if you break rules there are consequences

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  24. “People are no longer in the mood, for others to tell them what to do.“ I believe that sums it up. I’m not 1% and don’t Run with, hang around, or support 1%. They need to stay in their world and I’ll stay in mine. I’ll be damned if they are going to dictate anything I do.

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  25. Absolutely agree.
    When I was coming up, some 40 odd years ago, you put on a patch, took an ad out in the local biker mag, in my case Sleezyriders then went about the job of establishing your selves among the peeps.

    Someone pushed up on ya( mud check) ya pushed back.

    In the end ya flew or ya crashed.

    Helping and supporting, all great I’ll help most anyone. Just remember, I wont foresake my patch forANYONE.

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  26. Especially in this audition, you’re spot on. It’s not like it was a start up club. Let alone an organisation as large and with much more time, tenure, and tradition than ANYTHING motorcycle related. If that one chapter changes it’s patch to make the locals happy, does the nation do the same or do they get laughed at like the clubs that do compromise as such? Tradition is about respect. Protocol is created for those that don’t follow tradition. I hope the club understood that at some point you have to stand your ground and just willing to do with the outcome. Although they aren’t taking over the world, the Masonic fraternity has members in all walks of life. I would recon they could leave metallic substance at the door and still put in the work. (For some to understand and others not)

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  27. No circle talking.. the dominant can continue to be who they are… ( read the rest of the web site if you cant figure out what their upto.) And no one and i mean no one should have to blow a bunch of bullies so they can live their lives.. .. why dont they just do what they have been doing.. these clubs have a whole different agenda..they dont want to sell their dope..they dont want to run their girls.. they dont want to steal bikes for them.. protocal???? Disipline????? Respect??? They have sweet fuck all to do with them..they need to quit trying to put their hands in everyone elses pocket and their foot up everyone ass and im sure they would get respect…most the new clubs dont want to be affiliated with the dominants activities so why would the underling for them..beg for the oppertunity to wear their own fucking patch.. a meet with them shows affiliation.. we dont want your heat. Respect..

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  28. One issue is guys that have no experience in a Motorcycle club are administrating motorcycles clubs…
    So they read stories and watch tv shows and they think that is what they are supposed to do…art imitates life and then life imitates art…..
    The fame and notoriety is what has changed the nature of the subculture. Many guys seem to believe the story’s that get told and join club so they can make their own story…. They do things in club life that they would never do alone… Some don’t make it…some loose their lives to prison… Most that come to have their big adventure leave disappointed….they are not here to be brothers… Guys like that are just tourists….shooting stars that burn so brightly then are gone….
    So many of these people are just cycleing through club life and the Quality of club administration. Shows that…
    That is the “what” and the “why” of this issue… The expectation of dominant and submissive clubs are unreasonable now days…. Like you said why bother. Many of those clubs no longer deserve the loyalty they are demanding…
    Most of them don’t know how to administrate anything any more…
    Its too bad … At one time it worked out very well….

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  29. A friggin’ shit load has changed the mid 70s when a couple of young VN vets and a handful of hoodlums on motorcycles formed a club in a blue collar town in PA. Young, dumb and full of Sunoco 260. Sportsters or chopped Triumphs or BSAs only. There was no asking permission or seeking a blessing from the dominant. One of our founders had a brother in the 81 “somewhere out in Cali” who supplied us a little guidance in setting up a club, bylaws, protocols, etc. We flew a 3 piece patch with our city in the lower and a separate “MC”. If diamonds had been a thing back then, I have no doubt we’d have flown ’em.

    About a year into it, during winter we are invited to attend a “get together” with the dominant at their clubhouse, along with 2 other new local clubs. We had some exciting, illegal, and injurious times together as a group, and that brotherhood bond was beginning so I was pissed that for this “must go” only 7 or 8 were going. An epidemic of dead relatives, out of town work travel, and homework eating dogs had me wondering.

    We arrived at the clubhouse at the agreed time and of course we were the first to arrive and start drinking pitchers of beer. We would later learn that the 2 other clubs had declined the invite.

    Doms arrive, intros are made, booze flows, joints burn, more booze. Couple of hours into this and only myself and one brother are left standing as leather and denim is passed out everywhere. Knives are pulled, cuts of the dead-drunk are removed and given to us to take along with the bodies. Good we brought the panel truck.

    The two of us are thrown a chance to prospect if we’re interested but they didn’t want to see those colors on the street again. My bud did prospect with them and did achieve full patch, but I lost contact with him and that crew thanks to an unanticipated arrangement where I might hone my culinary skills and earn pennies.

    Today I still have respect for those men and for their club, and I’d feel good betting they have the same in return.
    I’d probably feel the same towards any of the “greybeards” in all of the majors because they didn’t get that old by being fuck heads, it takes integrity.

    You know, getting old causes one to go into those “not the same anymore” spiels on an annoying basis, but from what I’ve seen, today’s MCs are a perfect example.

    Happy trails

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  30. There are Good Reasons to go seek guidance from the local preeminent club.The guy who wrote this has NEVER been in a 1% club…he was in a club that supported a 1% club,..and he was in that club 25 or 30 years ago!!! He knows very little about that world, except for what they let him see then, and he knows even less now. I wonder why he was never able to make it to the top tier? But I digress. Its not mentioned in this editorial, but WHY was the request that a patch change occur, made? IF your local “Dominate” club is a real club, about real men doing real men things, you will probably be ask a couple things, for reasons you may not even know nor understand as you want to stand up a new club. You may feel intimidated when asked ” Why do you want to start a new club? Are you too good to prospect for any of the 40 clubs already here?” IF you have a real reason, other than “I can do what I want”, most Dominate clubs will Respect that, and even help you. . I was told once, “Because there is not a club in the area that allows female members. We want to be a male/female club”. It didn’t matter to me what the reason was, just that there was one. Some here are saying “1%ER need to stay out of my clubs business”, but the problem with that is, when a problem is caused by ANY ONE WEARING A PATCH, in most cases, the local 1%ER club gets blamed for it, because non riding ( and even riding non clubbers) often just see a patch, and they only see the dominate club, no matter what the “real club” that cause the problem is called, the local 1%ER club has to fade the heat for some other, lesser known clubs mis-behavior. You’d be surprised at the number of times I have been told, ” I use to live across the street from your guys club house in California”; We are an International, “Big” Club, but we do not now, nor have we ever, had any chapters in California. Civilian People do not distinguish between clubs. I’ve been in 1% clubs since the 80’s, and things have changed to be sure. I have been my chapters President for more than 10 years, and Most “big clubs” now a days are looking for clubs they CAN have relationship with. 1%ER’s no longer “play by themselves” exclusively, and you will not make them do so. So, if you form a new club, and there are 1% clubs in your area, you will have to deal with them unless you stay in your club house all the time. Why wouldn’t you want to have at least a cordial relationship with them? I have been able to help many, MANY new start up clubs that have come to me for guidance. With protocol, with traditions of the world they want to be a part of, and we have been able to guide them in making wise choices that will allow them longevity and Respect. The most recent “pop-up” club that came to us for “guidance” was told that they need to change their patch, if they want to just “ride together”, and stay out of politics. The reason? They where using the Colors of another “Big 4” club located, not in our immediate area, but within a couple hours ride, and a patch that seemed to have purposely taken parts from 2 other Outlaw clubs located kinda nearby. They assured me they didn’t do it on purpose and I believed them, but had they actually had the patch made and been wearing it, these other clubs might not have believed it was “just a mistake”. They brought me the patch they had in mind drawn out, and I was able to help them start out on the right path. IF you want your new club to last, to, if not be excepted but at least tolerated, if you want “professional guidance” as you start your new adventure,TALK to those who know. Most 1% Clubs ARE NOT acting like “Patch Police” in this day and age, but if you go into some ones “territory” wearing a patch similar to there’s with the same colors, and you’ve never taken the time nor made the effort to have them even know you exist, don’t be surprised when someone whose entire life, not just their weekends, is built around their club. The recent club I mention above, with the wrong design and the wrong colors, made the appropriate changes, and 6 years later are a respected, welcomed most everywhere by everyone, coexisting club. Because they made the effort to spend sometime with the local Dominate, 1%ER club, they were taught, and learned a few things. They showed Respect and Respect was returned… they came to understand that should they decide to ride a couple hours north just for a nice ride, with the original design of their patch on their back, they might not be happy with the reception they received. Is it “Right” they may have gotten shit taken from them and possibly worse? I won’t make a judgement on if its right, but I know its real, and could be “real ugly”. If You Want to Start a New Club, seek out your local first…hear them out…LISTEN to what they say. I promise they know more about this world than you do. THEN give what you get. If they are disrespectful asshats, do what you gotta do. And do not think that just because they put you in a couple trick bags, they are being “Disrespectful”…. they are actually not only seeing who you are, but trying to see who you will become.

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  31. See that’s the problems with people who suck off 1%ers. These people think they are the top of the food chain. Here’s a flash for you, they are no where near the top of the food chain on the streets. Actually it’s the opposite. I talk from a street view most of the time, not an MC view. Yeah, was a Black Piston so what! Before then one of the hardest street crews in Chicago(Retired). We didn’t worry about 1% clubs because they didn’t have the street credit. Sure, some would get down but it wasn’t the whole club. “Their world?” Which is what in your terms? Again, if you’re implying they are some big bad ass crew like SOA you’re going to be sorely mistaken. Let’s take your reasoning. Two points here. You hold 1%ers up as kings. Texas- Beast East MG has taking over in the Houston Area, no push back from the Dominant at all. Do you know why? Because they have the gangsters, ready to hit back. They have street credit, not to mention walking in between worlds of street and prison. Why didn’t I go 1%? There was no damn money in it! No money, cops everywhere you went. If most of the 1% are as badass as you say, why did 90% of them have a hard time making dues? Now, from an MC view. I was with the Predadores until they went full on street and Prison Gang. We never asked any permission to fly colors nor did we have the push back to do so. Why? Because they knew where most of us came from, knew it wouldn’t sit good being told we had to do something. This by the way, during the 90’s wars, something most of you wouldn’t even comprehend today. Now, onto “Real ugly.” How ugly has it gotten for that dominant in Houston? Yeah, won’t even fly. Talking 1% clubs now. Everyone is putting on a diamond and calling themselves 1%, do they even know what that means? Today, people will not take the bullshit anymore, plain and simple. Can’t complain about profiling and being picked on by the cops when you do the same shit to others. Why do you think there is all these pop up clubs?

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  32. I agree hollywood .. fred is drawing this picture perfect ..almost a codeling for the new commers.. im giving respect..and hoping he is only speaking of his club and his area.. if you notice i never refer to it as anyones territory..it belongs to the tax payers who live in it.. .. but i to am very close to sixty years old.. and have rode since the mid seventies.. i use to party with all the clubs in our area..we all had a lot of fun.. and there was some rivalry amognst some but they would never dream of spoiling a party or event over it.. at that time you had the odd break away club.. this is one of the reasons the dominents iron fist.. to keep control so no one trys to have a better club.. or atleast thats how that started.. now days ..and this is where i know fred aint talking about my area…its all bussiness.. to belong to a club doesnt mean you cant just ride on the weekend..or not have a job because you have to run and do dirty club shit.. thats not what the new clubs want.. they want genuinely want to ride..party… hold charity events.. and be respected motor cyclist with a common love and acppectation of the other members of that club..that brings us to current day.. now our area is infiltrated with a big club.. came in had forced patch overs and a bunch of other bullshit that destroyed what these guys were all about.. i wont say most..but i will say alot ..regret patching over.. and wish they could belong to a club like some of these pop ups are trying to become.. .. that being said… i said forced patch overs..sure dont sound like..ohh you just come talk to us we will sit down to a nice glass of milk..and we read the storty to you about how three little bears start up a club… times have changed..and not for the better..they are letting their politics of rule…and dirt.. wipe out the party and good times.. if aany of you are thinking of starting a club id head to the area fred is looking after.. and bring your jammies to the meating sounds like a cuddle time on the couch
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  33. If and when I ever decided to start any kind of club, even a three patch club with the diamond, I’m not asking anybody shit, and nobody will stop me from doing it. And, once that club is up and running, no one outside the club will dictate ANYTHING to the club. Who the fuck do these “clubs” think they are? Protocol? Are you fucking kidding me? Motorcycling, and the comraderie surrounding motorcycling is all about freedom! How the fuck are you free if you have to ask a bunch of grown ass men who act like juveniles for their permission to ride with your buddies? Further, how the fuck are you free, if you are a puppet of the club, and the club dictates who you hang with and ride with, when you ride, what you wear when you ride, what you can’t wear in your cage, and the club fines you for breaking any of these dictations? That reason alone is why I would never pledge to one of these so called “dominant” clubs, or support them, and although I will always be as cordial as possible when interacting with club members, I will not hesitate to let them know that I think they’re complete idiots for their affiliation, if it comes up in conversation. Now, before you dumbass patch wearers start bitching and talking shit, just know that I will take what comes with it for telling these guys they’re morons, but not without giving some back…just my thoughts on “protocol”, and the “manliness” of those who choose to follow this bullshit

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  34. Proof that this moron who runs his mouth on this sight doesn’t know shit! The “Dominate” club in Houston is the only one you see on the streets here! Most of The Beast don’t even ride! You are acting like being a 1%ER means you are a criminal… it doesn’t and never has Except for law-enforcement, and people like you… Or a ill-informed best!

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  35. You know everyone is bitching….BUT TRUTH BEEN KNOWN… THE REQUEST WAS PROBABLY AS SIMPLE AS SEW THE PATCHES TOGETHER AND IT WON’T BE A 3 PIECE BACK PIECE!!!
    MOVE THE TIP ROCKER DOWN TO THE CENTER AND MOVE THE BOTTOM UP TO THE CENTER ONE. SIMPLE AS THAT!!! NOT CHANGE THE PATCH…JUST CHANGE THE WAY YOU SEW IT ON.

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  36. DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT THE STATEMENT WASN’T CHANGE THE PATCH?…BUT CHANGE THE WAY THEY ARE SEWED ON….MOVE THE TOP ROCKER DOWN TO THE CENTER AND MOVE THE BOTTOM ONE UP TO THE CENTER. AS NOT TO DISPLAY AS A 3 PIECE PATCH. SIMPLE AS THAT… THEY BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. …THINK ABOUT IT??

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